I answered a calibration movie right but was scored wrong

[bmendez]

I clicked no track and received an incorrect positive CM


http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

The next movie showed the following. no coordinates


http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... oscope.php

That second link doesn't work as it will just load a random movie from the database.

In the case of the first movie that was a real movie. The actual error probably happened on a previous movie. If you've been following this thread, you'll see that I suspect that there are occasional delays in the system updating the score. To follow up on what happened, I need more information to check the database (specifically, I need to know the date and time of the event).

Thanks,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

806215V1
-1,1 (no track)
0715Z
cretinbob

There's a pretty clean track in that movie, that you missed.

6025657V1
-1,1 (no track)
0722Z 8/19/07
cretinbob

Yep, you missed that one fair and square as well.

6522686V1
no track
0815Z 8-19-07
cretinbob

small track in there as well, near the middle-top.

572284V1
no track
825Z 8-19-2007
cretinbob

small track near the middle bottom.

9490489V1
no track
0832Z 8-19-2007
cretinbob

Also missed this one, near left-top.

9599672V1
no track
0846Z 8-19-2007
cretinbob

Is a real movie.

-Bryan

[bmendez]

CM 3525376V1 has 2 obvious inclusions. I clicked on one of them and it scored me as incorrect. One is in the lower left and the other is about middle right. I don't have the coordinates, but they are pretty obvious.

While these don't look like tracks, It still seemed proper to click on them. Should we not click on an inclusion, and do the CMs now score on this?

The one on the lower left is the inserted feature and goes below the surface, and the one on the right is pretty clearly on the surface.

Hope that helps,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

CM 426109V1 has the same problem. The inclusion is to the top just off center to the left, and shows an error when it's clicked. Again, it probably an inclusion but is obviously there.

I agree that there is a pretty clear inclusion in this one. So don't click on it. The inserted feature however has structure at several focus depths, so that's the kind of thing you'd want to click on.

Hope that helps,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

Is this another one?

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-2,-2

I clicked here and got dinged with a miss.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... s=?235,260

Sorry, the last two you mentioned are known bad CMs that are supposed to be removed. If you see them again, click Bad Focus.

-Bryan

[bmendez]

Here's another one:
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-2,-2
I clicked on the small track on the upper right quadrant, and was scored wrong not for saying there was a track when there wasn't, but for missing a track. My other score is still at 100%, so this is definitive in the fact that it's incorrect.

Honestly, I'm starting to hit "Bad Focus" more than any other selection.
<<sigh>>


--DG

Sorry. This is another of those bad CMs that is supposed to be removed.

-Bryan

[bmendez]

I clicked on the dot about 3/4 of the way over, just south of center (the one that doesn't move), and was given an incorrect for a positive CM. I cannot see another potential track in the movie, and since my no-track score didn't change, there must be a track somewhere else. But where? Are the no-track CM stats not registering? That is the second time, at least, I thought perhaps it should have been a negative CM score loss, and I'm still at 100% there.


http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

Sorry Elaine,

This is another bad CM that needs to be removed.

-Bryan

[marcia]

I just scored wrong on a the following CM:

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

I clicked on coördinates 364,192
It was 6 am(GMT + 1 hr)

IMHO it was a CM-track

[Jwb52z]

Maybe this comment will help some of you out. I think I have figured out something. One of the movies I clicked on, that turned out to be a CM, had what looked like a smudge about 11 microns wide. I focused up and down a bit and it didn't change. It didn't look like a hole as in the Phase 1 movies at all. It's also maybe important to notice that there's a very minute shade of grey difference on some of the tracks than the inclusions, but it's very subtle. I don't want to skew results. Maybe I'm wrong about the shading, but it sure does look like there's a slight shade difference.

[fjgiie]

CM 2253509V1 is still in the system, I clicked it at 463, 137 at 7:19am today 22Aug and my sensitivity went down, down, down. Can you ge a negative sensitivity? If so, I'm headed in that direction. It looked like the perfect CM.

[DiamondGirl]

Sorry. This is another of those bad CMs that is supposed to be removed.
-Bryan

Thanks for the confirm, Bryan.
I can't complain too much, though. I've only gotten 10 incorrect scores so far, and maybe 4 are from bad slides, so I'm not too far off actual.

[bmendez]

CM 2253509V1 is still in the system, I clicked it at 463, 137 at 7:19am today 22Aug and my sensitivity went down, down, down. Can you ge a negative sensitivity? If so, I'm headed in that direction. It looked like the perfect CM.

I think you can actually get a negative sensitivity.

Sorry about the bad CMs still hanging about please see my next post...

-Bryan

[bmendez]

Hi All,

Thanks to all of your reports we have been able to identify a list of CMs that have bad coordinates or are otherwise corrupted.

We plan to remove these CMs from the database, but unfortunately we are somewhat short-handed this week. So, until such time as they can be removed please make note of the following movie #s and when you encounter them in the VM, please press "Bad Focus."

8203996V1
2253509V1
4768246V1
8861826V1
8407570V1
7356028V1
382146V1
7165805V1
8656977V1
4198087V1
2955302V1
8657147V1
3832437V1

There are only 13 movies in that list out of several thousand CMs, and those 13 movies account for all of the posts in this thread since Phase 2 began where there were legitimate errors. So it is encouraging that only a very small number of CMs have problems.

Please let us know if you encounter others.

Thanks,
-Bryan

[list updated 10/5/07 - all movies have been verified as excluded]

[the moon]

2648241V1
I clicked no track. I assume the CM track is in the middle of that triangle shape. That would be fine, but the triangle is a sunken area, so the CM track ends up looking like surface dirt. It comes into focus at the same depth as the other dirt in the bottom of the triangle.

[elainekeefe]

Lost another point on this one. Clicked "no track."

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1