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Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:38 am
by laserphil
Having built up my skill level to a respectable 10.14 I was most unimpressed when I missed three HATs that truly amazed me - three different movies with the supposed correct location at the same point.

After missing the first when I clicked on the deepest point, I tried the other end on the next and missed again on the third I tried the middle and again missed. This can't be doing the team any good with their statistics as these were 15 pointers yet I had no trouble with the 29 pointer.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

The tracks were nowhere near these indicated co-ordinates.

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:49 am
by laserphil
I'm afraid that's it for me. I was quite expecting to miss the high score power movies but to have suffered the loss of 0.5 skill level because the co-ordinates are still wrong on HAT's has really turned me off Stardust at Home. "If you're not having fun you're no doing it right" I am not having fun now. Lost points on 6 x HATs now that according to Stardust team are all located at the same coordinates.
Here are the next three.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369


If anyone can suggest how I can work around these I might be persuaded to continue.

Not happy
Laserphil

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:19 am
by elainekeefe
Two more, also the same coordinates as noted by laserphil above:


http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

Obviously the latest attempt at fixing these didn't work. Maybe we should just start the skill scores over when these are finally (if ever) fixed? Mine just keeps going down, down, down, since probably 75% of the power movies I receive are HATs.

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:49 am
by nitram819
Im holding on to those other HATs that are incorrectly marked, but this one if not an HAT and I got a negative score on it (5 points). Its location is way off.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:54 am
by nitram819
Here's an other one in the same situation, also not an HAT.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:19 am
by caprarom
There seems to be a systemic error with at least some of the HAT's. I've missed three obvious ones already this morning, and the coordinates that were indicated as "correct" for each were not only wildly off, but they were the same coordinates for all three very different movies - 2516499, 498791, and 7720635. Regards,

Mike C.

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:27 am
by tudorbug
Perhaps the answer is to simply pass by the HAT movies until this problem is corrected. I also am grieved at the impact on my skill score these erroneous coded tracks have posed. This can be easily done by using the "back" button when an HAT movie arises and then opening a new movie.

David

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:16 am
by enokh
hi all

I found this movie with wrong coordinates:

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 1&theY=369

enokh

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:02 am
by jsmaje
This is just getting silly. I repeat what I said 2 days ago - I'm stopping dusting until all these absurdities are fully fixed - with no apologies to the team or those who subsequently implied I should continue in the fond hope that things will soon be sorted. I also repeat what I said yesterday, that while our scores are indeed irrelevant to the putative scientific value of the project, one's faith in the team's competence in general is hardly reinforced.

Perhaps it's time to take the site down for as many days, or even weeks, that it may take for them to carefully review and correctly calibrate every single movie, rather than continue depending on us to point out their mistakes at the expense of productive dusting?

"If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!", they say. Sadly, it’s all too obvious that many experienced and dedicated dusters are currently not having fun, but in this case because the team aren't doing it right.

John

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:04 am
by fjgiie
caprarom wrote:There seems to be a systemic error with at least some of the HAT's. I've missed three obvious ones already this morning, and the coordinates that were indicated as "correct" for each were not only wildly off, but they were the same coordinates for all three very different movies - 2516499, 498791, and 7720635. Regards,

Mike C.
tudorbug wrote:Perhaps the answer is to simply pass by the HAT movies until this problem is corrected. I also am grieved at the impact on my skill score these erroneous coded tracks have posed. This can be easily done by using the "back" button when an HAT movie arises and then opening a new movie.

David
Now, we would not want to do that. Better I think is to not click "No Track" on these bad movies. (see below)

Off the screen 422, 380 only goes to 374
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... 2&theY=380

Off the screen -2, 12
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... -2&theY=12

Ha, ha - first negative coordinates I've seen. I would have thought that a track off the screen would be the same as "No Track" but not so. "No Track" is incorrect for a track off the screen.

              fjgiie

ps: Beware of the coordinates 351, 369
   f

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:38 am
by DanZ
Sorry everyone for the problems! Okay, we just ran yet another attempt at a Global fix for the HAT Power Movies. Please let us know how they're working now.

Once again, thank you Phase 4 Dusters for your enthusiasm, assistance and much appreciated patience!

Dan
On behalf of the entire Stardust@home team

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:34 pm
by greuti
Looks good so far!

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:04 pm
by greuti
This one is counted with 18 points and I got just a miss by clicking No Track: 5089230V1

For 18 points it should still be rather good visible, shouldn't it? Can you spot anything in the movie that's worth to click on?

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:45 pm
by elainekeefe
So far so good, Dan. I just had 3 HATs in a row and they were all counted as correct. However, my skill score went down each time. I guess I don't quite understand the math behind that.

Also, is there a way to tell what the skill rating is on power movies we get right?

Re: Phase 4 problems

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:23 pm
by tudorbug
Greuti, I don't see anything in the area indicated by the red lines on the borders. Perfectly blank to me.

David