I answered a calibration movie right but was scored wrong

[elainekeefe]

Never mind. I think it was the one 2 before it. Just missed the score change, I guess.

[rlcwik]

Oh come on now!

I just got dinged twice in the last few minutes (8:30 PDT 8/23/07) I had just logged on about 15 min. ago and suddenly noticed I had one more miss. I can’t be sure which one it was, but I went back and looked again at both and could see nothing.

Now a few minutes later here is one where I know I clicked on it. (The following movie shows where) and I got hit with another miss.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... s=?207,147

I just saw your list of known bad C.M.’s and I don’t see it there. Besides, I thought you played games with the Calibration Movie numbers so they wouldn’t be recognizable??? How is your list suppose to help?

Oh, and thank you for your earlier reply.

[fjgiie]

See this post about 4198087V1.

[Star Gezzer]

I clicked at 62-121 and received an incorect for a positive movie

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1


The next movie came up with

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... oscope.php

it had no coordinates

[bmendez]

2648241V1
I clicked no track. I assume the CM track is in the middle of that triangle shape. That would be fine, but the triangle is a sunken area, so the CM track ends up looking like surface dirt. It comes into focus at the same depth as the other dirt in the bottom of the triangle.

I see what you're saying about that one. It looks to me almost like the inserted track is in focus above the surface (which is impossible). So it's not a great CM. I'll ask the rest of the Team what they want to do about it.

Thanks,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

Lost another point on this one. Clicked "no track."

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

Hi Elaine,

That's a real movie. You did miss the CM just two movies prior to that one: 163011V1. Really small track in that one. So this looks to be another case of delayed score updating.

Thanks,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

Never mind. I think it was the one 2 before it. Just missed the score change, I guess.

Sorry, didn't see this post before I went digging through the database (more sorry to myself). Do you think that you simply didn't notice the change when it happened, or do you think it might have been a real delay in the scoring update?

Thanks again,
-Bryan

[bmendez]

Oh come on now!

I just got dinged twice in the last few minutes (8:30 PDT 8/23/07) I had just logged on about 15 min. ago and suddenly noticed I had one more miss. I can’t be sure which one it was, but I went back and looked again at both and could see nothing.

Now a few minutes later here is one where I know I clicked on it. (The following movie shows where) and I got hit with another miss.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... s=?207,147

I just saw your list of known bad C.M.’s and I don’t see it there. Besides, I thought you played games with the Calibration Movie numbers so they wouldn’t be recognizable??? How is your list suppose to help?

Oh, and thank you for your earlier reply.

Looks like the same thing happened to you that happened to fjgiie. You clicked 36 pixels from the center of the track. But thanks for bringing it up, because now that I double check this movie I can see that the coordinates are in fact about 34 pixels off. Usually, when the coordinates are off they are way off, so this one fooled me. Anyway, I'll add that one to the list of bad CMs.

The movie ID number is actually constant for all movies, including CMs. The code is simply to mask the real id numbers of the movies which are sequential. When we first opened the project people realized that they could tell which ones were CMs just by their movie id numbers. So we came up with this id code that the VM displays for a movie that masks its real id number. The confusion came when people realized they could use the My Events viewer to view any movie by inserting the movie id into the URL. But with CMs what used to happed was that the viewer would essentially refuse to show a CM and it would just randomly pick a real movie to show if an id number for a CM was put into the URL. Now we've changed it so that you simply get an error message if you plug in a CM movie id into the viewer URL.

So that's why I've given you all the list of bad CMs to ignore. I'll add this one to the list.

Thanks,
Bryan

[bmendez]

I clicked at 62-121 and received an incorect for a positive movie

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1


The next movie came up with

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... oscope.php

it had no coordinates

It looks like another delayed scoring case. You actually missed the CM just prior to that: 7589704V1. It was a difficult one.

Thanks,
Bryan

[DiamondGirl]

Lost another point on this one. Clicked "no track."
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1

I would definitely have also clicked NO TRACK on this one, Elaine.
Also team, here's another one I feel is wrong. http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1
This scored me wrong on Specificity, meaning I should have clicked NO TRACK, but in fact in the upper left when things around it have gone out of focus there are two small spots that come in. I can see where this may be an inclusion vs. track possibility, but if we are truly supposed to be clicking on anything unusual or any possibilities, this really cannot be a specificity callibration. Plus, one of those dots hangs around longer than the other, which usually indicates track.
Oh, and if you're resetting scores, my specificity was at 100% before this team.

--DG

[rlcwik]

Here is one I found on your list... after I clicked on it and got dinged. I fumbled my copy and paste on the URL but here is the Movie id and the following coords. About 2:30 PM PDT 8/23/07

8203996V1

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... s=?363,193

I guess my problem is.. How can you expect us to stop and check your list before we click on every obvious Positive CM? Not to mention, keeping the list up to date. Why don’t you just delete the problem movies from the data base? I am already going slow and careful since I agree some of your little pinpoints are hard to catch.

Once again, thank you for your prompt response.

[elainekeefe]

Never mind. I think it was the one 2 before it. Just missed the score change, I guess.

Sorry, didn't see this post before I went digging through the database (more sorry to myself). Do you think that you simply didn't notice the change when it happened, or do you think it might have been a real delay in the scoring update?

Thanks again,
-Bryan

Bryan, I'm sorry I made you do all that work for nothing. I went back to try to edit my post, but the edit option was already gone. Then it went to the next page, which made it harder to notice...we need a delete button!

I'm really not sure if it was a delay or not. I was momentarily distracted at the time, so I may have missed it, though I usually do check after every movie.

[Nikita]

I haven't seen this number 1727143V1 come up as a goof. I clicked on the dot on the bottom left and was marked wrong. I hope it's not your goof...well, I do hope it's your and not mine!

[rlcwik]

Okay, you convinced me! I copied your list into a data base, added the one I found after that and sorted them numerically, printed it out and I use it. It has improved my odds and my confidence in clicking on a Positive CM. Thank you, Sorry I got a little testy yesterday. But you have to admit, your flaky CM ‘s have been hard on my Sensitivity. Every active Duster out there must be having problems and may not be aware that much of the problem is on your end. At least with the list now, it’s not so much of a crap shoot.

[rlcwik]

2:15 PM PDT 8/24/07

Is this a delayed scoring problem or is this actually a Positive CM? As far as I can tell, this is the one that dinged me and I see nothing. I use two windows open to search and load. In the other window there was a Positive CM that had just scored correctly and looking further back in this window.. I found no likely candidates.

http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... rds=?-1,-1