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Post by jsmaje » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:06 pm

Pluk - despite my remarks above about misplaced tracks, I think your latest two are in fact OK.

Re: 5601418V1, coords 130/219: looks exactly right to me. If you really did click on it accurately, it must be an error in the database (unless you're using a magnifier, which has been reported before to send erroneous coordinates).

However, re: 2297302V1, coords 471,181 and 50,240: these are inclusions, only appearing subsurface and focussing over 2-3 frames.
The track is at 449,115. First of all it begins to appear at the surface. Although very slightly sloping, the surface is evidenced by the quickly in-&-out-of-focus dust particles at 46,110 and 335,270 for example, as well as various aerogel surface distortions (see endless, so far fruitless, debate about such triangles etc). The track, meanwhile continues in reasonable focus more or less to the bottom focus bar. Not to mention that large square 'frosted-glass' Photoshop pasting-artefact surrounding it, particular obvious toward the lowest bars.

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CM 4797413V1

Post by BruceHull » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:21 pm

I clicked at 58,226 on CM 4797413V1 but was scored wrong.
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... =4797413V1
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Post by pluk » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:50 am

The simulated track of cm 7765301V1 at (391,336) appears to start well above the surface.

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Post by bmendez » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:50 pm

Hello pluk,

Sorry to not have responded sooner to your queries. I've been otherwise occupied or absent for the past couple of weeks...

It looks like a a few of your "incorrect" misses were likely due to the strange delayed scoring problem. In some of the cases you did in fact click on the right track, but you missed movies previous to that and the score wasn't immediately updated at that point.

In other cases you running into the same problems that we are having on the science team with the candidates. Inclusions or tracks? In several cases we will probably not know until we've extracted and analyzed a sample (which will hopefully happen within the next couple of months).

The CMs are far from perfect, but they are still serving their intended purpose quite well on the whole. They were indeed made from a few of the candidates, and they were made by an automated code (as were the phase 1 CMs). So there are occasional oddities.

As we start to learning more about the candidates we'll make new CMs for phase 3.

Thanks,
-Bryan
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Movie id: 6215540V1

Post by innadeeps » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:54 am

After my decision that there should be no track i´ve got a negative mark :?: So there should be a track in it but i cannot see it! So is it possible that anyone can show me where this track is learning more to identy some difficult ones. Or could it be a bug in your or my system? Thanks in advance!

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Re: Movie id: 6215540V1

Post by bmendez » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:29 pm

innadeeps wrote:After my decision that there should be no track i´ve got a negative mark :?: So there should be a track in it but i cannot see it! So is it possible that anyone can show me where this track is learning more to identy some difficult ones. Or could it be a bug in your or my system? Thanks in advance!

Hello.

No, no bug. But it is a very small feature, just left of the middle of the field of view.

It is a very difficult one to see, but most people seem to be finding it.

Thanks,
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Nearly invisible track

Post by fjgiie » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:12 am

I clicked No Track on this movie and got a miss.

5133556V1

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Re: Nearly invisible track

Post by jsmaje » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:36 pm

fjgiie wrote:I clicked No Track on this movie and got a miss.
5133556V1
185, 202. Tiny, so easy to miss - looks like a speck of dust on the monitor screen, but wrongly pasted yet again, starting well above the surface.
If you actually saw it, but dismissed it as a result of looking like an artefact, then I think you should have been rewarded rather than penalised.

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Post by rlcwik » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:13 pm

Okay, here we are in early February and I haven’t had a problem for months. At least not since you cleaned out the bad Cms in early October, Thank you for that. I see that since early December no one else has either . That’s good.
Just now however: Feb. 03, 08 at 8:35 PM Pacific time I ran into a strange occurrence with CM 5358718V1. This is an obvious CM so I don’t think I’m giving much away here but I clicked at 337,283 and got dinged with a No Track -1,-1????
I keep two windows open to compensate for load time and I see in the left window that the OK button pops up right over the No Track button. I also have my pointer set to go to the default button in a dialog box. So I normally just double click once on the artifact and then on OK. This has never caused problems in the past, to the best of my knowledge, but is it possible something got tangled up there?

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Post by bmendez » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:07 pm

rlcwik wrote:Okay, here we are in early February and I haven’t had a problem for months. At least not since you cleaned out the bad Cms in early October, Thank you for that. I see that since early December no one else has either . That’s good.
Just now however: Feb. 03, 08 at 8:35 PM Pacific time I ran into a strange occurrence with CM 5358718V1. This is an obvious CM so I don’t think I’m giving much away here but I clicked at 337,283 and got dinged with a No Track -1,-1????
I keep two windows open to compensate for load time and I see in the left window that the OK button pops up right over the No Track button. I also have my pointer set to go to the default button in a dialog box. So I normally just double click once on the artifact and then on OK. This has never caused problems in the past, to the best of my knowledge, but is it possible something got tangled up there?
Hi rlcwik,

Are you sure about that movie #? I've looked it up in our database and can find nothing with that number.

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Post by rlcwik » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:54 pm

bmendez wrote:
rlcwik wrote:Okay, here we are in early February and I haven’t had a problem for months. At least not since you cleaned out the bad Cms in early October, Thank you for that. I see that since early December no one else has either . That’s good.
Just now however: Feb. 03, 08 at 8:35 PM Pacific time I ran into a strange occurrence with CM 5358718V1. This is an obvious CM so I don’t think I’m giving much away here but I clicked at 337,283 and got dinged with a No Track -1,-1????
I keep two windows open to compensate for load time and I see in the left window that the OK button pops up right over the No Track button. I also have my pointer set to go to the default button in a dialog box. So I normally just double click once on the artifact and then on OK. This has never caused problems in the past, to the best of my knowledge, but is it possible something got tangled up there?
Hi rlcwik,

Are you sure about that movie #? I've looked it up in our database and can find nothing with that number.

-Bryan
You are right, the movie number is 4358718V1. Fat fingers and poor proofing. Sorry about that.

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Post by bmendez » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:15 pm

rlcwik wrote:
bmendez wrote:
rlcwik wrote:Okay, here we are in early February and I haven’t had a problem for months. At least not since you cleaned out the bad Cms in early October, Thank you for that. I see that since early December no one else has either . That’s good.
Just now however: Feb. 03, 08 at 8:35 PM Pacific time I ran into a strange occurrence with CM 5358718V1. This is an obvious CM so I don’t think I’m giving much away here but I clicked at 337,283 and got dinged with a No Track -1,-1????
I keep two windows open to compensate for load time and I see in the left window that the OK button pops up right over the No Track button. I also have my pointer set to go to the default button in a dialog box. So I normally just double click once on the artifact and then on OK. This has never caused problems in the past, to the best of my knowledge, but is it possible something got tangled up there?
Hi rlcwik,

Are you sure about that movie #? I've looked it up in our database and can find nothing with that number.

-Bryan
You are right, the movie number is 4358718V1. Fat fingers and poor proofing. Sorry about that.
Hi rlcwik,

The coordinates you give are correct for the track in that movie, but the database did indeed record that you clicked "no track." So it sounds like it may have been user error as you suspected.

All the best,
-Bryan
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Post by rlcwik » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:06 pm

Okay, thank you for checking.

As a precaution I have shifted the window on the screen so that now when the ‘OK’ button pops up it is in a clear field between the movie and the other buttons.

I can’t be sure, but I think it may have happened again a few days later. I was going merrily along when I suddenly noticed my ‘Missed” number had gone up. When I went back to check the only one I could find was another obvious CM that I know I had clicked on.

Not sure what is going on, but it seems to be cool so far with the precaution mentioned above.

BTW, I have never seen the phenomenon you mentioned earlier. Something about delay response for updating your score. As far as I can determine, everything except your position in the standings updates immediately.

Thanks again.

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CM 1362088V1

Post by BruceHull » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:38 pm

I clicked No Track on CM 1362088V1, and was scored a miss. I sure don't see a track in this movie.
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... =1362088V1
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Re: CM 1362088V1

Post by jsmaje » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:48 pm

BruceHull wrote:I clicked No Track on CM 1362088V1, and was scored a miss. I sure don't see a track in this movie.
http://stardustathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ... =1362088V1
Me neither. Not 432,85 surely?

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